[Fwd: [HSMM-technical:1857] Re: Verizon to offer wireless
broadband]
Alex Fraser
beatnic at comcast.net
Fri Jan 9 10:24:07 CST 2004
Ricochet trashed a lot of their users by changing the on board
Eproms on their modems. At first you could use their radio modems to
dial into your own ISP or to work direct into another modem. This left a
bad taste in many users mouths. I would assume they are concerned about
security and hacking or would you just lay it on general stupidity on
their part?
Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
>I was part of the Verizon EVDO trial. We were routinely getting in
>excess of 400 Kbps per laptop downloading, with a dozen laptops in the
>same room doing simultaneous downloads (we were looking for back-end
>capacity issues in the system).
>
>Biggest problem with EVDO at the present time is that the favored card
>manufacturer has been bought out by Sierra Wireless, who is a bunch of
>idiots when it comes to releasing specs for talking to the cards, so
>no drivers (yet) for Mac, Linux, or anything other than Windoze.
>
> ---Rob
>
>
>Alex Fraser <beatnic at comcast.net> writes:
>
>
>
>>An interesting discussion on the new broadband wireless systems now
>>being deployed. This is forwarded from the ARRL HSMM working group
>>list. Are any local hams (DC area) using this new service?
>>
>>
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>Subject: [HSMM-technical:1857] Re: Verizon to offer wireless broadband
>>Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:16:35 -0600
>>From: Gerry Creager N5JXS <gerry.creager at tamu.edu>
>>Reply-To: hsmm-technical at arrl.org
>>Organization: Texas A&M University -- AATLT
>>To: HSMM Technology <hsmm-technical at reflector.arrl.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and forward it. The other reviewer
>>is Kurt, WB5BBW, who is our real expert in these cards now. Please
>>mention him favorably.
>>
>>
>>73, gerry
>>
>>Alex Fraser wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Go Gerry!
>>> What great information. I have felt for a while that a role hams
>>>can play in our society is that of impartial knowledgeable reviewers
>>>and evaluators of new technology. We have the trust of the people to
>>>perform this role based on our history (We will lose this trust if
>>>we babble on about CW).
>>>
>>>
>>> How can we show this review to the highest number of hams? We can
>>>spin it to show how easy it would be to connect a 802.11 ad hoc lan
>>>to this system for instant area internet access (like field day) and
>>>there by feed two birds from the same feeder (I don't like to kill
>>>birds with stones).
>>>
>>>
>>> May I forward this review to a couple of ham lists I am on, in
>>>particular to my local club and to AMRAD's TACO list?
>>>
>>>
>>> And as an after thought I must mention that WWI (Woodbridge
>>>Wireless Inc.) my local club shares our main repeater site with a
>>>Ricochet Network installation (Metricom R.I.P.). Do you think the
>>>new owners have a chance in hell of revitalising their service? See
>>>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~1809980,00.html
>>><http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E33%7E1809980,00.html>
>>>for latest info. I really would like to have this local system
>>>dumped in Amateur radios lap. Their local site is 6 panel antennas
>>>on a hough water tower with concrete enclosed cable and huge steel
>>>equipment boxes, we could run some cat 5 into our co located
>>>repeater hut for an instant WAN. I'm not too proud to accept
>>>corporate charity.
>>>
>>>
>>>Gerry Creager N5JXS wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Er... Old news. Sprint's 1xRTT implementation is currently
>>>>outperforming Verizon's in all the markets I've tried it in. I now
>>>>travel with a 1xRTT card for the laptop, so I can at least retrieve
>>>>e-mail (albeit somewhat slowly) wherever I go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1xRTT is CDMA-2000, and the predecessor to 1xEVDO, which should
>>>>jump from the current 80k (real numbers vice the 150k marketting
>>>>hype) to between 256k and 512k.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've not been able to lay hands on any EDGE (GSM) hardware to test
>>>>so far, but reports say, AT&T aside, it's slower than 1xEVDO but
>>>>faster than 1xRTT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There remain some issues with bad handoffs and dropped calls, but
>>>>it's interestingly enough not as bad in this digital realm as my
>>>>digital cellphone is. I'll be talking on the phone and beating on
>>>>the computer, the cell call will terminate abnormally, and the
>>>>computer's just goin' on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you ever see n5jxs-8 on the APRS Internet side, that's almost
>>>>always me, running 1xRTT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>FWIW, we've tested both Sprint and Verizon for an ambulance
>>>>research project. We implemented both systems for
>>>>failover/redundancy in our system, as a stack of 4 effectively
>>>>channel-bonded modems for each service, in a Linux PC-104A stack.
>>>>We use power dividers and amps to make sure our ambulances have
>>>>enough oomph to make it to the tower. The amps we use do
>>>>incorporate circuitry for automatic power control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>gerry
>>>>
>>>>KC5QCN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Verizon to roll out wireless broadband
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2004-01-08-verizon_x.htm
>>>>>----------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>January 8, 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>Wireless broadband network on horizon
>>>>>
>>>>>By Andrew Backover, USA TODAY
>>>>>
>>>>>Broadband on the go will get a lot closer to reality Thursday when
>>>>>the USA's No. 1 phone and wireless carrier details plans to build
>>>>>the first national wireless network that's truly broadband.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>While popular "Wi-Fi hot spots" offer public wireless broadband in
>>>>>coffee shops and airports, this service would make a laptop as
>>>>>mobile as a cell phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The first phase of the build-out, which will take 18 months to two
>>>>>years, will begin by summer, says Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg, who
>>>>>will discuss the plan at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
>>>>>Vegas. He did not identify the first cities for the high-speed
>>>>>wireless service but says, "We will hit the major markets as soon
>>>>>as we (can). Whenever we've said we would roll something out
>>>>>nationwide, we did it pretty quick."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Verizon has tested the $80-a-month service, not including a
>>>>>required PC card ($150 after rebate), in Washington, D.C., and San
>>>>>Diego. Seidenberg says demand is so strong that it's time to
>>>>>expand. Mostly for use with laptops and PDAs, the service is
>>>>>data-only and can't be used for voice. It is geared to business
>>>>>users but is expected eventually to reach consumers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Verizon's plan is a big step for the wireless industry, which for
>>>>>years has promised broadband networks but delayed them because of
>>>>>cost and lack of demand.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"This tells me there is demand within the business market," says
>>>>>Legg Mason wireless analyst Craig Mallitz. "It's creating a true
>>>>>mobile office."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But Blaik Kirby of consultants Adventis still wonders how much
>>>>>work people will do in a cab: "Most places you would want to use a
>>>>>high-speed connection are indoors (and) likely to be covered by
>>>>>Wi-Fi."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Most current wireless services, including Verizon's primary
>>>>>offering, equal or slightly exceed the speed of a dial-up
>>>>>modem. That's good enough for e-mail, trading photos and limited
>>>>>Web access but not for big downloads. "Think of the capacity that
>>>>>you now will have instantly at your disposal," Seidenberg says.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Among nationwide services, AT&T Wireless' Edge network is fastest,
>>>>>at about three times a dial-up modem. AT&T plans broadband trials
>>>>>in four markets in 2005. Sprint PCS' Vision for phones equals
>>>>>dial-up speeds; its laptop service is twice that. But Sprint
>>>>>broadband might not come until 2006.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Find this article at:
>>>>>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2004-01-08-verizon_x.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>--
>>Gerry Creager -- gerry.creager at tamu.edu
>>Network Engineering -- AATLT, Texas A&M University
>>Cell: 979.229.5301 Office: 979.458.4020 FAX: 979.847.8578
>>Page: 979.228.0173
>>Office: 903A Eller Bldg, TAMU, College Station, TX 77843
>>
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