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[Andre Kesteloot]

Mike,

interesting ideas, including the possibility of the collapse of the 
business aspect of the Internet. (What, no more Amazon or e-Bay?)
Would a partial solution be found in switching to Apple computers for 
the home user ?
73
André

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On 1/19/2014 23:07 PM, Mike ODELL wrote:
> I realize my recommendations are not what people want to hear.
> I can't help that. It's the same argument when we said
> "Don't run Windoze exposed to the Global Internet!"
> the answer back was, "No, *you* must do something - we insist
> on running Windoze!"
>
> the answer, of course, is that there was nothing that could be done.
> that didn't stop the creation of an entire industry of charlatans and faith healers
> praying on the bedeviled while many 100s of billions of dollars
> have been pissed away as  result of the collective denial.
>
> all I can do is tell people what we are up against and what it takes
> to survive it. I cannot control the weather, gravity, or make fools less foolish.
> If, however, I had some spell that would fix this mess, I would have done
> so already.
>
> People need to consider carefully the possible fallout of mass abandonment
> of the Internet, either forced or voluntary. The economy has embraced
> "electronic commerce" like the new addict to crack, and is busily destroying
> the alternatives. if the Internet becomes unworkable or sufficiently untrustworthy,
> or if continuing to trust it becomes financial suicide, the dislocation will be
> unimaginable. whether it is really that bad won't matter. panic drives stampedes
> and there are no bigger lemmings than on Wall Street. their panic could easily
> be catastrophic even if everyone else is still fine.
>
> my point is that the downstream consequences of these things are very
> difficult to either foretell or rule out. the system we have is highly susceptible
> to brittle failure, and all of this silliness like the netrification of things that
> do not possibly need it, and doing so in a way guaranteed to cause
> massive heartache, only makes it more and more brittle and
> therefore more and more likely to have a catastrophic outcome from
> small failures amplified by cross-coupling to other parts and propagating
> the brittle collapse.
>
>        -mo
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad so please excuse the jammy fingers.
>
>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Andre Kesteloot <andre.kesteloot at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/19/2014 17:37 PM, Mike ODELL wrote:
>>> make sure the network of those devices is completely and totally air-gapped
>>> from the Global Internet.  even better, turn off the network silliness in those
>>> devices. turn off the wifi and disconnect the Ethernet cable. the SNMP Toaster
>>> was a joke from long ago. we never imagined anyone would do it seriously.
>> thanks !
>> That is what we have at my day-job, but that is hardly practical for the every-day home-user.
>>> at CES, there were several "door lock sets" which speak IP over wifi.
>>> WTF were they thinking?
>>>
>>> the even nastier little secret is that you already have a network box which
>>> Could already have already have been compromised: your router/wifi box.
>> yes most probably  !
>>>   most of
>>> them run really old, crufty versions of all the software based on old crufty
>>> versions of Linux and the user-level code that runs outside of the kernel.
>>> examples: dhcp server, DNS, nat configuration, packet filter configuration, wifi
>>> command and control, and the web server stack that provides the
>>> user interface.  if your box can run it, OpenWrt is better than most.
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>> so people go inviting everyone in the whole world into everything
>>> they own.
>>>
>>> the use of compartmentation like is done using Invincea and containers as done by
>>> Solaris/Illumos, FreeBSD, and Linux, and sand boxing as done by OS/X and iOS appear
>>> to be gaining the upper hand by providing a way to isolate activities so that compromises
>>> can't damage other things while doing so with a tiny fraction of the overhead of, oh, VMware.
>>> and because of that, services can be run lightly and the container destroyed regularly
>>> and recreated freshly, thereby eliminating various "persistent" attracts.
>>>
>>>        -mo
>> thanks
>>
>> 73
>> André
>>
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